Jonty Parkin

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  questions from a newbie!

  by lfwalli in

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  ok i'm too impatient to look through all the old posts..so hear me out.. i'm studying with witnesses, but not yet baptized.

  i was raised around the truth.. i've looked through some of the old posts and i have heard alot about the shunning of former "members".

  i've been told that this is not a scriptural practice.

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  "Shunning is the doctrinal equivalent of being stoned to death."

  Frannie, That is an excellently incisive and accurate analogy! Go to the top of the class!

  Jonty
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  Ray Franz

  by oscar in

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  hello everybody i was just wondering if anybody knows how raymond franz is doing or how he is continuing his life outside of the org.

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  "Ray Franz has been doing very well outside of the org. Have you read his books ? Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom."

  I'd like to read these but I cannot easily order them - I'm a teacher working in China.

  But can anyone tell me, is Ray trying to do anything to expose the internal hypocrisy of the WTBS?

  Jonty
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  things that make you go mmmmm...

  by dh in

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  people make lots of sounds but it takes something special to make you go mmmmmm... what does it for you?

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  Hi dh,

  I just replied to you in a frivillous and lighthearted way. But it would appear that the WTBS intercepted my message!
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  questions from a newbie!

  by lfwalli in

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  ok i'm too impatient to look through all the old posts..so hear me out.. i'm studying with witnesses, but not yet baptized.

  i was raised around the truth.. i've looked through some of the old posts and i have heard alot about the shunning of former "members".

  i've been told that this is not a scriptural practice.

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  Hi Ifwalli.

  I was a witness for 20 years. I was an elder for the last 10 years of that. I say this, not to impress you, but merely to let you know that I am speaking from personal experience, not hearsay. Furthermore, I do not hate the witnesses, and I have no axe to grind with them individually.

  I used to think that the JW's were magnificent, because they had an "answer" for everything. However, to the mind of a rational, free-thinking man, any answer can be questioned, if one has reservations concerning its validity. And you will soon find (if you have not already done so), that you cannot question their answers. The reasons for this are:

  • They are not "answers", merely stock responses. They will give you a book that tells you what to say (and therefore what to think).
  • Freedom of thought and opinion is not permitted. You may only think and say what the WT publications authorise you to say.

  But you know what the really scary thing is? They even have an "answer " for this too! Anyone who "questions" or dared hold a different opinion, are accused of being "disloyal to Jehovah's visible organisation".

  Try it, and you will soon find out just how long their patience with you holds out!

  Later, when (or if) you go, they will simply forget you existed, rub their hands in self-righteous satisfaction and say "oh well, he obviously never loved Jehovah in the first place."

  I hope you can see that I have said nothing derogatory or insulting about the JW's or their beliefs. I am simply advising you as to what you can expect to happen if you continue.

  There are alternatives, my friend.

  Jonty
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  Let's bring these enemies of freedom and human decency down to their knees!

  by Jonty Parkin in

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  previously, i was content to go my own way and allow my erstwhile brothers and sisters go theirs.

  after all, if i am honest, i am equally delighted to be able to ignore/shun those myopic, sanctimonious little turds, as they are to ignore/shun me!.

  however, having read many of your posts, i'm downright bloody livid, not neccessarily with the aforementioned "myopic, sanctimonious little turds", but those grumpy, stubborn, conniving deceitful old gits in brooklyn who have created this society of "myopic, sanctimonious little turds"!.

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  Good advice all round from all of you - thanks. Yes, I have wasted too much of my time on them already.

  And I suppose that by actively campaigning against them, I would be unwittingly playing into their hands, because the drones are conditioned to believe that any words spoken against their precious "Organisation" is conformation of said organisation's biblical legitimacy!

  Cheezers! These old gits are clever bastards aren't they? Sounds like they got the whole game sewn up!

  Also, regarding the drones, or the "myopic, sanctimonious little turds" as I, perhaps, uncharitably called them at the beginning of this thread, well, I wouldn't want to chew them out on my doorstep. They are not my target. They are just like I was, blindly following orders, believing that they believe.

  Nevertheless, I would like to build up a file of evidence of deception, hypocrisy and lack of financial transparency. Especially, would I like to be able to find evidence of occult affiliation, since they bang on so much about the devil, etc.

  Can anyone refer me to some good links?

  Jonty
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  Let's bring these enemies of freedom and human decency down to their knees!

  by Jonty Parkin in

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  previously, i was content to go my own way and allow my erstwhile brothers and sisters go theirs.

  after all, if i am honest, i am equally delighted to be able to ignore/shun those myopic, sanctimonious little turds, as they are to ignore/shun me!.

  however, having read many of your posts, i'm downright bloody livid, not neccessarily with the aforementioned "myopic, sanctimonious little turds", but those grumpy, stubborn, conniving deceitful old gits in brooklyn who have created this society of "myopic, sanctimonious little turds"!.

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  Previously, I was content to go my own way and allow my erstwhile brothers and sisters go theirs. After all, if I am honest, I am equally delighted to be able to ignore/shun those myopic, sanctimonious little turds, as they are to ignore/shun me!

  However, having read many of your posts, I'm downright bloody livid, not neccessarily with the aforementioned "myopic, sanctimonious little turds", but those grumpy, stubborn, conniving deceitful old gits in Brooklyn who have created this society of "myopic, sanctimonious little turds"!

  Frankly, I couldn't give a monkeys toss about doctrine or prophecy, but I would like to see the corruption and deceit exposed! I'm sorry if this is a little too strong and I hope not to be to heavily censored, but this has jolly well got my bloody dander up!

  What can we do to nail these suckers! What can I individually do, to help bring these cranky, geriatric enemies of freedom and human decency down to their knees?

  Jonty
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  What Is YOUR Concept of "God"?

  by minimus in

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  is he/she "real"?

  are you now unsure of "god's" existence?

  do you ever pray to "god", anymore??

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  In the years since becoming disentangled with "The Organisation", I have tended to gravitate towards New Age spirituality. The reason for this, I suppose, is that that is what I was "into" before being sucked-in like a gullible, idealistic fool. Well, I was only 19 at the time...

  And so now, whilst not turning my back on the Christian God, I have fair had enough of this "one true religion" cobblers, and I am open to the idea of pagan gods/godesses, etc. I use the tarot, and the runes, I watch the changing seasons and I try to attune my energies to the energy of nature. Each to his/her own of course, but I personally have found these to be of value. I am still an occasional bible reader, and I even say the odd prayer now and then. I use the quaballa, the I Ching, and I have even practiced simple candle healing spells, popular among wiccans. Why, I have even found a pseudo "christian" tarot deck, called "tarot of the gnostic saints."

  When I was an "elder" (ha ha!), I would have been appaled at any/all of the above, sumarrily dismissing such shocking outrageous practices as a demonic snare! Thankfully, however, my thinking is no longer conditioned and bound by such idiotic myopia, and I can actually think for myself again!
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  Kingdom Kliche's

  by Jonty Parkin in

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  anybody remember some of the ridiculously glib and corny words/cliche's that were used and recycled over and over and over ("three times for emphasis") again?.

  how about:going overboardthe thin end of the wedgea balanced view of...what should we think...?what should we feel...worldly paramours/cohorts etcleave it with jehovahadvertise, advertise, advertise (puke!)..

  and my personal favourite:"victorious overcomers" .

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  Anybody remember some of the ridiculously glib and corny words/cliche's that were used and recycled over and over and over ("three times for emphasis") again?

  How about:

  • Going overboard
  • The thin end of the wedge
  • A balanced view of...
  • What should we think...?
  • What should we feel...
  • Worldly paramours/cohorts etc
  • Leave it with Jehovah
  • Advertise, Advertise, Advertise (puke!).

  And my personal favourite:

  • "Victorious overcomers"

  I mean what is that supposed to mean? A guy who produces too much semen!? LOL!

  Jonty
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  "Beefing-Up" your "Hours"...

  by Jonty Parkin in

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  i never actually lied about the number of hours i put in, but i was extremely creative in how i counted them!

  this, of course, was born of an intense hatred and loathing for the "work", coupled with the realisation that if my average did not hit double figures, i might be taken to task over it!

  don't get me wrong, i wasn't scared of knocking on peoples doors and being told to regularly to "f*ck off"- i just could see no sense in it.

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  I never lied, but it was a struggle to get that one lousy hour in per month.

  Yeah, and in the end, for what? It was all, total bollocks, wasn't it?

  And for some poor sods it still is bollocks. But sadly, they don't know that yet...

  Jonty
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  Just waiting for the tornados to pass me by!!!

  by Eyebrow2 in

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  soooo just sitting here, checking on the weather radar, seeing if the tornados are going to hit close or not.. i was at target when my husband called to say that one touched down about 10 miles northwest of us, so i should come home....was it just a ploy to make sure i didn;t spend all the money?

  eeek..this damn texas weather...if you don't see a post from me in the next week, then it means that toto and i have been whizzed away over the rainbow

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  ...and if you don't make it, there is always the resurrection - haha!

  Just kidding. Take care. I'm sure you will be ok.

  Jonty